March 23, 2007

• Good People go to Hell

  
  Everything an unbeliever does is sinful, right? (Heb 11:6).
  
  An
  unbeliever’s “prayers”, “seeking”, “repentance” and “turning from sin”
  – all these things are sin (Rom 10:14). In fact, all their feelings of
  “remorse”, “regret”, “guilt”, “sorrow” must be sin. Any attempt to be
  “humble” or “sincerely turn from sin”, is in fact sin. Because all the
  unbeliever’s works are works of unbelief. If they try to be sincerely
  “seeking salvation”, it’s because they don’t think Christ was sincere
  enough. By “seeking faith in order to be saved”, an unbeliever shows
  they think they are capable to “finishing off” what Christ “failed” to
  do.
  
  Scary, huh? Especially when you hear ministers (not of
  Christ) telling unbelievers to pray. Because everything an unbeliever
  does is sin, that means that praying will only serve to increase the
  unbeliever’s sin (condemnation). In fact, every attempt by an
  unbeliever to “stop sinning” only increases their condemnation.
  
  Take
  for example an unbeliever called John. Now, imagine a preacher told
  John to “seek after faith” in order to be saved. And suppose John
  follows the preacher’s advice and tries hard to stop sinning, he prays,
  sings hymns, tries to be convicted by preaching, seeks to be around
  church members. But remember, he’s doing all these things “in order to
  be saved”.
  
  In other words, the preacher has lead John to
  believe salvation by works. Every work John does of “seeking salvation”
  is actually an attempt to make himself better than other men (as if
  just being better than other corrupt people is enough to make the
  perfect God of the Bible pleased with you !).
  
  In summary
  1)
  regarding unbelievers — all their “seeking”, all attempts to “stop
  sinning”, to “prayer” and all feelings of “remorse” — all these things
  are sin (Heb 11:6, Rom 14:23).
  
  2) in fact, any attempt by an
  unbeliever to “seek salvation” will only increase the damnation of an
  unbeliever. For example, any attempt by an unbeliever to “humble”
  himself and “seek faith” shows that this unbeliever thinks Christ’s
  work was incomplete and insufficient. By thinking that humility is a
  requirement for salvation, the unbeliever is showing he thinks
  something is required of him ON TOP of the work of Christ. He might as
  well say “Christ died in vain”.
  
  3) popular preachers who tell
  unbelievers to “become humble” and “seek faith”, are saying that Christ
  didn’t do enough, and men need to add to the work of Christ in order to
  be saved.
  
  “whatever is not of faith is sin.” (Rom 14:23)
  
  “without faith it is impossible to please God” (Heb 11:6)
  
  EXTRA — Discussion with Tad (a Calvinist from GA).
  
  
  

  Tad wrote me,

  “What we must do is love the sinner and despise the sin ..only encourage .. ask them to pray .. look into scripture .. ‘seek and ye sha’ll find’. im speaking of the seeker . someone is at the end of their road and calling out to God ( you may call it prayer or a “cry” ). I’m
  not speaking of an individual who claims to be ‘spiritual’ .. i’m
  speaking of someone who is actively reading the Scripture .. and
  seeking to know God , as only as allows .”
  

  
  
  My response:
  
  G’day Tad!
  
  Thanks for your msg.
  
  I assume we both agree
  that an unbeliever’s prayer is sin? “Those in the flesh cannot please
  God” (Rom 8:8). Prayers of unbelievers do not please God, because
  unbelievers always pray “to the god of this world … who rules in
  their hearts … their father is the devil” (John 8:44 etc).
  
  So
  when an unbeliever prays, he’s praying to the devil. If he prays “for
  faith”, his prayer (by definition) is a work of unbelief. If he “seeks
  to become spiritual”, then it logically follows that his seeking is a
  lust of the flesh (since he admits he is not of the Spirit when he
  “seeks” to become spiritual).
  
  So you are telling unbelievers to
  sin, right? Because an unbeliever’s pray = sin. In fact, you’re telling
  unbelievers to pray to the devil. “The Gentiles sacrifice to devils”.
  (1 Cor 10:20). In other words, when an unbeliever prays, he is always
  praying to a devil (a god of his own mind).
  
  The apostles on the other hand told men to pray “with faith, not
  wavering” (James 1). They told men TO BELIEVE and commanded unbelievers
  to obey the whole Law WITH FAITH. They did NOT tell men to “pray for
  faith”, since a prayer for faith, must always (by definition) be a
  prayer of unbelief.
  
  You will never find them telling men *how*
  to become a believer or how to be converted. That would be as
  ridiculous as telling an animal how to become a believer! (Unbelievers
  are “brute beasts”, Jude 1:10)
  
  Oh… I forgot something.
  
  Tad – Do you think prayer is a requirement in order to be saved?
  
  If
  no, then why do you tell unbelievers to pray BEFORE salvation? If
  prayer is NOT required for salvation, then why should they bother?
  
  I suspect you think prayer is a requirement for salvation….(That’s why you tell unbelievers to do it, in order to be saved)

  Romans 10: 20 But Isaiah  is very bold and says, “I was found by those not seeking Me; I became known to those not inquiring after Me.” Quoting Isa. 65:1
  
  Isaiah 30: 21 And your ears shall hear a word behind you, saying, This is the way, walk in it, when you go right, or when you go left.
  

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