March 29, 2007

  • Doubting Calvinists: A Dilemma


    How often do you hear this …

    “We are in the light as
    believers. But are there not clouds that hide the complete view of our
    salvation from us at times? Does God ever use our human doubt to
    strengthen our spiritual dependance upon Him and His promises? But do
    not look down upon your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ that are
    experiencing a sin in their life that causes them to not see clearly
    their savior.” (Ethan Beckler, U-Illinois)

    “I never doubt my
    salvation anymore. But I will admit that when I was young in Christ
    there were times when I wondered.” (Josiah Burke, Hawaii)


    My response: Hmmm…. Thanks for your comments guys. But the Bible defines a believer as someone with same assurance and confidence as the Apostles (2 Pet 1:1).

    NASB:
    Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who
    have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of
    our God and Savior, Jesus Christ

    KJV: Simon Peter, a servant and
    an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious
    faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus
    Christ:

    Now, Doubting Calvinists say that believers today can
    doubt their salvation. Yet, the Bible says believers have the same
    assurance as the Apostles.

    No offence, but this puts you guys in a sort of dilemma =) A catch-22.

    Either you have to say…

    1) We can doubt our salvation even though we have the faith of the Apostles. Because the Apostles also doubted their salvation.
    …or…
    2) We can doubt our salvation even though the Apostles did not. Because we don’t have the faith of the Apostles.

    Point
    1) goes against the whole New Testament, as the Apostles never doubted
    their salvation. (Show me where the Apostles doubted! The disciples did
    .. but that was before the Resurrection … see http://Godnoliar.com/john_the_baptist.htm ) The Aposltes NEVER doubted! You will not find a single example!

    And Point 2) contradicts 2 Pet 1:1 which says believers have the faith of the Apostles.

    OK! Hope that made sense…

    I
    wonder… do you guys say that 1) the Apostles doubted their salvation
    and thus we can? Or, are you conceding that you think believers today
    do NOT have the faith of the Apostles (since the Apostles did not
    doubt, but “believers” today do)

    OK… hope to hear your response to that! =)

    Now, I want to point out a comment made by someone that I totally agree with. They wrote me,

    “In the end it is only the grace of God that saves us, and it is only the Holy Spirit that assures us of our salvation.”


    My
    comment: OK!! So we agree that Holy Spirit assures believers the Gospel
    is true. And since the Gospel says “everyone believing is justified”,
    the moment the Spirit convicts you of the Gospel, you are infallibly
    assured of your salvation. You simply can’t believe the Gospel without
    realizing you are justified, can you? Because God has eternally joined
    together belief with justification =)

    And there are some verses
    of Scripture screaming out on this point. John 4:14 says that
    “believers never thirst” because they have a “well of water springing
    up in them unto everlasting life”. So the work of the Spirit is to
    annihilate doubting so that believers never thirst for justification.

    Maybe
    you could also look at Hebrews 11:3. “By faith we understand the worlds
    were framed by the Word of God.” So, it’s a man’s belief in the Gospel,
    that proves to Him God exists. There’s no way we could know there is a
    Just God and Savior who created the worlds, unless we understand
    Christ’s person and work.

    Now, a man’s belief in the Gospel not
    only proves to the man that God exists. Paul also said we are to have
    “peace and joy in believing” (Romans 15:13). So belief in the Gospel is
    the way a man knows he is saved. (The way he has peace, joy and
    assurance).

    This means that understanding Gospel not only proves
    1) that God exists, it also proves to me I am saved. So the evidence to
    me that the Bible is the Word of God is the same evidence to me that
    I’m saved. That is, the proof the Bible is the word of God is the
    authority of God stamped in the Gospel. But the Gospel in me is also
    the proof I am saved, so you I can’t call in question my salvation
    without calling in question God’s authority itself !

    Can you see
    why John says “the one not believing God has called Him a liar” (1 Jn
    5:10) ? Indeed, “this is the testimony — God has given US [believers]
    everlasting life”. So anyone who doubts they are saved, doubts the
    testimony, and calls God a liar.

    Sobering stuff indeed!

Comments (1)

  • http://www.xanga.com/pychen/564761558/theology-matters.html

    8:10 AM
    2 Peter 1:1 (English Standard Version)

    Greeting
    1Simeon[a] Peter, a servant[b] and apostle of Jesus Christ,

    To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
    2 Peter 1:1 (New International Version)
    1Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
    To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

    2 Peter 1:1 (The Message)

    I, Simon Peter, am a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ. I write this to you whose experience with God is as life-changing as ours, all due to our God’s straight dealing and the intervention of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Grace and peace to you many times over as you deepen in your experience with God and Jesus, our Master.

    2 Peter 1:1 (New Living Translation
    Greetings from Peter
    1 This letter is from Simon[a] Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ.
    I am writing to you who share the same precious faith we have. This faith was given to you because of the justice and fairness[b] of Jesus Christ, our God and Savior.

    I don’t know if you have considered the context of what Peter was saying.

    He is NOT making the claim as you did “the same assurance” the word “assurance” is no where in the context

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