March 30, 2007

  • Jonathan Edwards — Why 500 pages, mate?


    Here’s something that irritates me, and I am wondering if it annoys you too.

    I
    mean all those books by the Puritans where they spend pages and pages
    describing what it is like to be under the operations of the Holy
    Spirit. Now, aren’t these Puritan writers implying that a man can be
    under the operation of the Holy Spirit and not even know it? If not,
    then why did Jonathan Edwards for example, spend 500 pages trying to
    explain what true “spiritual experiences” are? Isn’t he implying that
    the Holy Spirit cannot make a man know he is saved ? For example, if in
    everyday life, someone wrote a book called “How to know you have
    experienced childbirth”, they would be implying that childbirth is
    something that can happen to you without you knowing it. So when
    Edwards writes “how to know you have truly been converted”, isn’t he
    implying that the Holy Spirit can’t properly cause that change of mind
    to be obvious to the believer?

    It seems Edwards in “Religious
    Affections” has done the equivalent of writing a book about “How to
    know you are standing in the light of the sun”. Because the only
    operation of the Holy Spirit is to enlighten the mind. That is, to
    furnish it with understanding of the words of God that are already
    written.

    “Because it is God who said, “Out of darkness Light
    shall shine,” who shone in our hearts to give the brightness of the
    knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” (2 Cor 4:6)

    Could
    it be — that the reason Edwards spends 500 pages trying to describe
    “how to know if you’re saved” is because he made faith dark and
    mystical. You know how he says “faith is more than belief” and “faith
    is more than intellectually understanding and believing the Gospel”.
    Well, since he makes faith complex and mystical, no wonder it took him
    500 pages to explain “how to know you’re having true spiritual
    experiences from faith, and not experiences from a counterfeit”.

    Since
    he denied that conversion is simply a change of mind from falsehood to
    truth, it took him 500 pages to explain how in the world you can know
    you are converted. Because having the truth in you is useless (Edwards
    says that you can have the truth in you but still go to hell), Edwards
    is forced to explain how men should use their love/humility etc as
    evidences of salvation. (Because the truth cannot be an evidence of
    salvation, since unbelievers already have it according to Edwards, that
    only leaves humility/love etc as evidences of salvation).

    And
    thus Edwards must show how we can be sure our love and humility is
    genuine and not counterfeit. Since the Pharisees/Jews were sincere and
    zealous, and yet lost (Rom 10:3), Edwards was posed with a dilemma. How
    can the believer be sure that his sincerity and zealousness is not
    counterfeit like the Jews was?

    Can you ever be sure?

    See how making sincerity/humility/love the “evidence” to a man that he is saved would cause the man to doubt?

    On
    the other hand, if you say that faith is simply “receiving the
    testimony of God” (John 3:33), then you CANNOT doubt your salvation.
    Because its impossible to believe the infallible testimony, and not
    realize you’re a believer!

Comments (3)

  • I doubt Jonathan Edwards was saying a true believer’s conversion wouldn’t be obvious, but rather than someone who isn’t a true believer may think they are a true believer but aren’t…but hey, I haven’t read those 500 pages, so I could be wrong.

  • hey man… I am sick and tired of people talking about me like I am dead or something! whats the deal with that???

    lol… have a good day.

  • Why was First John written?

    “So that you may know”…

    If you are right, then 1st John is “poo” as well.

    Come on.

Post a Comment

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *