http://youtube.com/watch?v=f4PjOdo72ac
Month: May 2007
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Be consistent for once!
Just a quick question.
I’m curious.
You guys agree with Piper that unbelievers deep down have truth implanted in them.
But will you go as far as Piper? For example, will you tell unbelievers to listen to and follow their hearts?
How far will you go? Will you be consistent?
If unbeliever have truth deep down in their hearts…
… Shouldn’t you tell them TO LISTEN TO THEIR OWN HEARTS? (because if unbelievers have truth in their hearts they SHOULD listen to their hearts, right? a heart with truth in it is a voice of truth worth listening to, isn’t it?).
… Shouldn’t you tell them to “listen to the voice screaming inside them saying “I need a Savior” (as Piper says) ?
Admit it guys. If unbelievers have truth embedded in their hearts LOGICALLY YOU SHOULD TELL UNBELIEVERS TO LISTEN TO AND FOLLOW THEIR HEARTS. This is what Piper tells them to do!!
Is it just a coincidence he says 1) unbelievers have truth deep down in their hearts and therefore 2) unbelievers should listen and follow the inner voice of their hearts?
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Dagan
Mayfield wrote, “Read the first Chapter of Romans, about the the work
of the law being written on the hearts of the Gentiles.”My response: Let’s talk about Romans 1.
Verse
19 says “Because that which is known of God is manifest among them, for
God did manifest it to them,” (Young’s Literal Translation). And the
KJV says, “God has SHOWED it to them.”Now, why did God have to
MANIFEST/SHOW the unbeliever he exists? Piper says that deep down the
unbeliever already knows that God exists. But Mr Piper! Why would God
bother manifesting his existence again? It would be unnecessary to do
so if the unbeliever already knows. In summary….1) Piper says that unbelievers “know in the bottom of their hearts that God exists”.
2) He’s basically saying that God is stupid.
3)
Because why would God bother showing/manifesting his existence if
unbelievers already know he exists “deep down” in their hearts?OK. Let’s leave this point. Next issue.
Think about Adam. Perfect, upright Adam.
God
had to reveal Himself to Adam over and over again in Genesis 1. In
fact, God had to VERBALLY tell Adam the MOST BASIC THINGS about life
like “till the ground”, “multiply”, etc. God also had to reveal the Law
to Adam. So Adam did NOT know about God, the Law or agriculture “deep
down in his heart”. Indeed, man cannot live by bread alone. He needs
God to FEED HIM THE WORD. Even Adam simply could not find out about God
or the Law except God revealed it to him.And remember. Adam was
innocent. Yet God had to TELL HIM about Himself and His Law (and even
tell him about tilling the ground). Adam therefore did NOT know God
naturally, but God had to REVEAL Himself to Adam.Now, fast
forward to today. Man’s mind today is not exactly like Adam’s was. Did
I say “not exactly”? Today, natural man (man without the Holy Spirit)
is totally under the power of the devil. Man is now blinded, deluded
and confused. So HOW MUCH MORE does man today NEED REVELATION from God
to know God exists. If innocent Adam needed it because he did not know
God by nature. Then there is NO WAY corrupt man today can know God
without VERBAL REVELATION.