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  • Albert Kim writes,




    “It is ONLY THROUGH OUR INTELLECTS/MINDS THAT THE WORD OF GOD IS UNDERSTOOD, and therefore a transformation of the heart takes place. …  I am a christian because I have believed and embraced the propositions of revelation.

    … If [you] deny the primacy of mental discourse, [you] have abandoned the true meaning of believing the Bible to be sufficient for all things. (2 Tim 3:16) Furthermore, the relationship we have with God is not the type that many consider today. Rather, it is unseen and BASED SOLELY ON DIVINE REVELATION.(proposition)  

    …Therefore, proposition (revelation) must dictate our experience and experience should be filtered through proposition. Peter writes, “And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation.”

    …Peter begins by describing his experience with the Transfiguration. Yet, despite that great experience Peter says that we have “something more sure, the prophetic word.” Peter is PUTTING PROPOSITION OVER EVEN HIS EXPERIENCE OF THE TRANSFIGURATION and stressing the primacy of proposition/mind/intellect over even that miraculous encounter. The same was true for apostle Paul. Paul did not argue that Christ is Lord because of his encounter with the risen Christ on the road to Damascus. Rather, the foundation of his argument was through the expounding of the OT and the historical fact that Jesus died and was raised on the third day. You will see that period after period when Paul is reasoning with the people in synagogues.

    …There is the idea among the contemporary christian circle that believers have a certain type of “relationship” that “transcends” the mental/physical. … The intellectual assent in the christian life has been all but diminished, doctrine has been minimized, and people have simply become accustomed to being non-divisive. I have engaged in many discussions when I have been told that people have this “personal relationship” with God. What does this relationship consist of I ask. Is there actual interaction with God? When people experience the christian life in such a way, the primacy of proposition has been lost.” 



    My response to Albert:

    G’day Albert, 

    I found your article on the importance of the intellect by searching “intellectual assent” in the xanga look-up engine. I do believe that faith in the gospel is intellectual assent to the doctrines of Christ’s righteousness and atonement. Thus, I am very interested in corresponding with you, since you claim to hold this view too.

    Now, we say that faith is simply to believe the propositions of the gospel. Logically, this would seem to raise a question. CAN SOMEONE ASSENT TO THE GOSPEL and NOT KNOW THEY HAVE ASSENTED?

    Of course not! Scripture says that God has “given us”–believers–”an understanding, that we may know Him that is true”. Can someone understand and know the truth of the gospel, and doubt they possess the truth? Surely, it’s impossible for a man to understand and believe an idea is true and at the same time doubt that he is a believer in that idea.



    “For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of a man within him?”(LITV) “For, among human beings, who knows a man’s inner thoughts except the man’s own spirit within him?”(WEY) 1 Corinthians 2:11


    Men know their thoughts. So, when God’s testimony — that believers are justified by Christ’s obedience to the Law and blood– enlightens a man’s mind, the man must know that HE IS IN THE LIGHT. And if the believer could doubt that he is in the light, wouldn’t he be calling God a liar in His promises? Doesn’t God say over and over again that ALL believers are “justified”, “redeemed”, “will not come into judgement” etc? Can a believer say that God lied when he said that “HE THAT ABIDES IN THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST HAS THE FATHER AND THE SON”?

    Albert, can believers call God a liar?

    The one believing in the Son of God has the witness in himself. The one not believing God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the witness which God has witnessed concerning His Son. 1 Jn 5:10


    Andrew Bain
    Sydney, Australia

  • John Owen seems to have believed that faith and unbelief are similar, if not identical. Judge for yourself. He writes,








    ” When the saints enter into rest … Faith shall be heightened into vision, as was proved before; which doth not destroy its nature, but cause it to cease as unto its manner of operation towards things invisible. If a man have a weak, small faith in this life, with LITTLE EVIDENCE AND NO ASSURANCE, so that HE DOUBTS OF ALL THINGS, QUESTIONS ALL THINGS, and HATH NO COMFORT from what he doth believe; if afterward, through supplies of grace, he hath a mighty prevailing evidence of the things believed, is filled with comfort and assurance; this is not by a faith or grace of another kind than what he had before…” http://www.reformed.org/books/owen/vol7/spiritual_006.html



    Owen said that believers can have a faith with “no assurance”, “little evidence”, “questions all things” and “has no comfort”. The “greatest Puritan” John Owen thought that Christians can have a faith which “doubts all things”.

    Now, certainly unbelief “doubts all things”. Unbelief “questions all things”. Unbelief has “no assurance”. And those that “doubt all things” are unbelievers, right? I mean, they don’t believe and they’re questioning everything the Bible says! If you “doubt all things” is there anything left to believe?? Can you “doubt all things” and still believe the gospel??

  • ARMINIANS
    A consistent Arminian believes every single person will go to heaven since he believes that Christ paid for every sin that has every been committed.

    An inconsistent Arminian affirms that some people will end up in hell even though Christ paid for their sins.

    Thus, every Arminian is either 1) a Universalist or 2) believes in a “christ” that cannot save.


    DOUBTING CALVINISTS
    A doubting Calvinist says that Christ died only for His people but also says he is not sure whether or not he is one of God’s people.

    Doubting Calvinists say they 1) believe the gospel but 2) are not sure they are saved. Thus, DCs affirm that it is possible for someone to believe the gospel and not be saved. They think, “I believe the gospel, but I may not be saved.”

    The Doubting Calvinist thinks that God has lied in his promise to save all believers because the DC thinks it is possible to believe and not be saved.




    “HAPPY IS HE THAT CONDEMNS NOT HIMSELF IN THAT WHICH HE ALLOWS”
     

  • You have a friend who does not know whether or not he is believer in the Republic Party. He says that he’s not sure if he’s a Republican or not.

    Now, is your friend a Republican? 


    Of course not!! He’s AGNOSTIC about the Republic Party. Perhaps he doesn’t really know what the Republic Party stands for. Maybe he hasn’t thought about politics much. He might even be skeptical or simply confused. Whatever the reason, your friend is NOT a Republican.


     

    Likewise, someone unsure about whether or not they believe the gospel is AGNOSTIC about Christianity. They are NOT a Christian !! Perhaps they don’t know what the The Gospel is. Maybe they haven’t thought about the gospel much. They may be skeptical or simply confused. Whatever the reason, this person is NOT a Christian. They’re AGNOSTIC.


    Now, there are people out there — including Presbyterians, Reformed Baptists, etc. — who say that someone can believe the gospel, but not know they are a believer.

     

    This is like saying someone can believe in the Republican Party, and not know they are a Republican.

     

    The Scripture clearly says that all believers know that

    1) God promises salvation through Christ’s righteousness and blood to all who believe/assent, and

    2) they believe God’s promise and therefore are saved.


    ALL the OLD TESTAMENT SAINTS had FULL ASSURANCE of salvation:


    “These all died by way of faith, not having received the promises, but seeing them from afar, and being PERSUADED, and having embraced and CONFESSED that THEY ARE STRANGERS and tenants on the earth.”

    This passage says that not only were OT saints persuaded of the gospel. Noah, Enoch and Abraham ALSO knew and confessed that they were destined to heaven (and strangers on earth). They confessed that they were destined for heaven, not hell. “The fathers” knew they were saved.



    And God says that New Testaments saints have a GREATER understanding than the OT saints!! If the fathers knew they were saved, how in the world could a NT saint — with more light — doubt ???



    “And having obtained witness through the faith, these all did not obtain the promise, God having foreseen SOMETHING BETTER CONCERNING US, that they should not be perfected apart from us.”


    Moses veil is now removed and NT saints see God manifest in the flesh. They see Him obeying the Law to the death for His sheep.

     

    The OT saints did not have the full understanding of believers today, but they were SO CONFIDENT in God’s promises that they…

     

    “received trial of mockings and of floggings; yea, more, of bonds and of prison: they were stoned; they were tried; they were sawn in two; they died by murder of sword; they went about in sheepskins and in goatskins, being in need, being afflicted, being ill-treated;”

     

    How could they have undergone these trials if they doubted God was their Justifier and Savior?


     

    “By faith “Enoch” was translated so as not to see death, … For before his translation, he had OBTAINED WITNESS to have been pleasing to God.”

     

     

    Enoch knew that God was well pleased with him because of God’s promise of salvation to all that believe in His Seed. Do you have the faith of Enoch?


     

    “Abraham … LOOKED FORWARD TO A CITY having the foundations of which the builder and maker is God.”


    “Moses … counted the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt, for he was LOOKING TO THE REWARD.”

     

    Abraham and Moses knew the city and reward was theirs. These men are patterns for all believers. So, if you do not know whether or not you have the reward — Christ’s righteousness and blood — you are not a believer.


     

    “… others were beaten to death, not accepting deliverance, THAT THEY MIGHT OBTAIN a better resurrection.”

     

    “These all died by way of faith, … being PERSUADED, … For those saying such things make clear that THEY SEEK A FATHERLAND. And truly if they remembered that from which they came out, they had time to return. But now they stretch forth to a better, that is, a heavenly land. Therefore, God is not ashamed of them, for Him to be called their God; for He prepared a city for them.”

    God has promised that 1) Christ’s righteousness is upon all those that believe, and that 2) Christ mediates for their sins through His Atonement. The OT saints knew this and today believers have way more light than the OT saints.

     

     

    Yet, there are Presbyterians and Reformed Baptists out there who say that they are not sure whether or not they are in the light.



    To return to the original illustration — This is like saying someone can believe in the Republican Party, and not know they are a Republican.

  • Brian Patterson has made some serious accusations. None of them are true.

    He writes,

    ===”To me it looks like you have two errors. One that regeneration
    comes AFTER assent. Secondly, that true assent doesn’t carry with it a
    change in an idividual’s heart’s desires and therefore behaviour.”===

    My response: I do NOT believe regeneration comes after assent. I affirm that
    regeneration is God giving a person assent. This is why I wrote in my
    earlier post that….

    “Scripture … teaches that regeneration is ONLY the Holy Spirit giving someone a change of mind about the gospel.”

    And I used the following verses:

    —”the dead SHALL HEAR THE VOICE of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.” Jn 5:25

    —Paul says: “for in Christ Jesus I begot you THROUGH THE GOSPEL” 1 Cor 4:15-17

    —”Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD of God.” 1 Pet 1:23

    And I also wrote that, “regeneration is simply God [the Holy Spirit] “begetting by the word”"

    Next up, you say that I deny assent doesn’t carry with it a change in an individual’s heart. You write,

    ===”To
    me it looks like you have two errors. One that regeneration comes AFTER
    assent. Secondly, that true assent doesn’t carry with it a change in an
    idividual’s heart’s desires and therefore behaviour.”===

    My comment: I do AFFIRM that ALL believers immediately love God AFTER they assent. Here’s what I wrote in my original post,

    “Of
    course, the moment someone believes the gospel they will love God,
    because they know they are are justified. So, yes, there is an
    immediate love that believers have when they first believe.”

    And I also wrote,

    “Now, what about love, joy, and peace in believing? Do all believers have these? Yes, these are “the fruits of the Spirit.” “

    And again, I affirmed that,

    “And the moment someone knows they are justified from all things, they will REJOICE.”

    So I heartily agree with this Scripture (that was in my original post)….

    “sanctify them BY THE TRUTH”, Jn 17.

    “sanctified, BY FAITH that is toward Me.” Acts 26:18

    “as newborn babes desire the pure soul-nourishing milk [THE BIBLE], that you may GROW BY IT” 1 Pet 2:2

    And
    last of all — God the Holy Spirit. I believe that He is the reason why
    one man assents and another does not. God the Holy Spirit CONVICTS the
    believer’s conscience that the Bible is true. It was Him who “raised
    Jesus from the dead” (Rom 8:11) that raises the spiritually dead.

    Paul
    declares to the Corinthians “…you were washed, but you were
    sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, AND
    IN THE SPIRIT of our God.”

    Most Calvinists deny the power of
    the Holy Spirit. Owen, as I pointed out in my previous post, taught
    that there are believers can have a faith that contains “no assurance”,
    “little comfort”, and which “doubts all things”. Here is the original
    quote from “the greatest Puritan”,

    ===” When the saints enter
    into rest … Faith shall be heightened into vision, as was proved
    before; which doth not destroy its nature, but cause it to cease as
    unto its manner of operation towards things invisible. If a man have a
    weak, small faith in this life, with LITTLE EVIDENCE AND NO ASSURANCE,
    so that HE DOUBTS OF ALL THINGS, QUESTIONS ALL THINGS, and HATH NO
    COMFORT from what he doth believe; if afterward, through supplies of
    grace, he hath a mighty prevailing evidence of the things believed, is
    filled with comfort and assurance; this is not by a faith or grace of
    another kind than what he had before…===”
    [http://www.reformed.org/books/owen/vol7/spiritual_006.html]

    I want NOTHING TO DO with unbelievers like John Owen.

    Brian, do you?

    Andrew Bain
    Sydney, Australia

  • DOUBTING CALVINISTS — CAN YOU REFUTE THESE 10 VERSES?


     


    1. Doubters receive nothing from God (James 1:7)
    2. Those that cannot perceive Jesus Christ in themselves are disapproved (1 Cor 13:5)
    3. The Epistles are only addresses to believers. “To the saints and faithful at Ephesus”, etc.. In order for the first Christians to have known the letters were for themselves, they would have had to also have known they were believers.
    4. Believers never thirst (John 4:14). But someone doubting their salvation is very thirst indeed.
    5. The Lord’s Prayer begins with “Our Father”. In order to pray this, one must know they are a child of God. Since God has given all believers the gift of prayer, all believers must have full assurance.
    6. The testimony is that “God has given us”–believers–”everlasting life” (1 Jn 5:11). All believers have this testimony in themselves (1 Jn 5:10). Therefore, all believers know they have everlasting life.
    7. There is no such thing as “spurious faith”. There is only ONE FAITH (Eph 4:5), that is, one way of believing the gospel. You either believe it, or you don’t.
    8. Faith is belief (see the Gk.) Receiving Christ is simply believing the gospel (Jn 1:12).
    9. Saving Faith always amounts to an absolute certainty of mind that what God says about Christ is true. Even the faith of the mustard seed “moves mountains”. In fact, infants believe the gospel. Men are exhorted to enter the kingdom of heaven as they do, implying that infants enter the kingdom of heaven exactly as every man does — when they believe.
    10. Abraham was a pattern for the saints. He was “fully persuaded” about what God promised.

    Full assurance is the privilege of all believers.

  • WHAT DO DOUBTING CALVINISTS AND PELAGIANS HAVE IN COMMON?

    It’s interesting to note just how widespread the mystical
    view of faith is. Calvinists and Pelagians both say that faith is “more than intellectual assent” and “beyond knowledge”. I’ve posted two quotes below. One of them is from a
    Calvinist, the other is from a Pelagian. Can you identify which one is
    the Calvinist and which is the Pelagian?

    QUOTE 1 — “The faith that is unto salvation is not
    a mere intellectual assent  to the truth. … It is not enough to
    believe about  Christ; we must believe in Him. The only faith that will
    benefit us is that  which embraces Him as a personal Saviour; which
    appropriates His merits to  ourselves.”

    QUOTE 2 — “There is a
    large class in Christendom today who are satisfied with a bare
    profession. They have heard expounded some of the fundamentals of the
    Christian faith, and have given an intellectual assent thereto, and
    they mistake that for a saving knowledge of the Truth. Their minds are
    instructed, but their hearts are not reached…”

    Are you confident that you
    know which one is the Calvinist and which is the Pelagian? Well, let’s
    now reveal their identities. The first quote was from Ellen White, one
    of the founders of the Seventh Day Adventists. The second quote was
    from AW Pink. Isn’t that incredible!! AW Pink held EXACTLY the same
    view on the quality of saving faith as Ellen White!

    And surprise surprise, Pink and White both also taught that believers can doubt their salvation.

    I’ve
    never met anyone — in person — who says they KNOW WITHOUT DOUBT they
    are justified from all things. Most the Calvinists from my
    ex-”churches” that I speak with think faith is something mystical. This
    makes assurance impossible. If saving faith is “indescribable” that
    means the apostles could not have described their faith in the Bible.
    And if we cannot know the faith Paul and John had, how can we ever know
    if we have the faith of Christ’s Ambassadors? Clearly, teaching that
    faith is more than assent will eliminate the possibility of assurance.

    Here are some Scripture that teaches that faith is simply to believe statements made in the Bible about Christ…..

    “He that comes to God must BELIEVE THAT HE IS…”

    “The one ABIDING IN THE  DOCTRINE of Christ has the Father and the Son”

    “He that BELIEVES MY WORDS … will not come into judgement”

  • GORDON CLARK AND ASSURANCE OF
    SALVATION
     

    God doesn’t always use His friends to spread the truth. In fact, He has
    caused many unregenerate people to preach the gospel out of envy. Balaam, Judas
    and Gordon Clark are just a few.
     
    On pages 38-39 of Sanctification, Clark refutes the idea that
    assurance can be based on good works. He writes,
    “Faith, love and obedience, while they do not automatically produce
    assurance, are none the less requirements for being a candidate, so to speak, to
    receive it. Actually love is one form of obedience, since it is commanded, and
    hence belief and overt obedience are the two requisites.
     
    There is, however, a difficulty. It is the same one Luther struggled with
    before he discovered the doctrine of justification. In Romanism he was supposed
    to earn his salvation by good works, penance, flagellation, and various monkish
    practices. But, being very sincere, he was troubled because he could never be
    sure that he had done enough.
     
    A similar difficulty arises here. If we wish to distinguish a valid
    assurance from a false assurance, how can we know that we have a sufficient
    theological knowledge and a sufficient degree of obedience to have met the
    requirements? Do we love deeply enough? Have we satisfied John’s criteria? Is
    there any devotional writer who has forthrightly faced this problem? It is hard
    to believe that none of them has thought of it. (
  • Brian Patterson asks:

    “So does regeneration produce only assent? If someone claims that regeneration produces more than just assent, is that person unsaved? ”

     

    My Response:

    G’day Brian,

    How are you?

    To answer your first question: YES, regeneration is simply God “begetting by the word”. Of course, the moment someone believes the gospel they will love God, because they know they are are justified. So, yes, there is an immediate love that believers have when they first believe. However, I don’t like calling this love a “saving grace”. It makes it sound like there is something meritorious or that it is a requirement in order to be saved.

    Now, what exactly is the regeneration that causes someone to believe? Most Calvinists teach that regeneration is an “infusion of grace” or a “change in dispositions of the heart”. They say that this moral changes occurs in someone BEFORE they have faith. This has lead to all sorts of heresies. For instance, it’s made some Calvinists divide unbelievers into two groups. They say, “Oh, it looks like the Holy Spirit is working in this unbeliever … look at their conviction or sin”. The Calvinist then says there’s another group of unbelievers who “resist the workings of the Holy Spirit in them.”

    John Owen thought that regeneration was an “infusion of grace” and a “change in dispositions” that happens before faith. Well, this lead Owen to assert that believers could doubt the gospel !! After all, said Owen, as long as you have “good dispositions of the heart” you are regenerate. He writes,

    ” When the saints enter into rest … Faith shall be heightened into vision, as was proved before; which doth not destroy its nature, but cause it to cease as unto its manner of operation towards things invisible. If a man have a weak, small faith in this life, with LITTLE EVIDENCE AND NO ASSURANCE, so that HE DOUBTS OF ALL THINGS, QUESTIONS ALL THINGS, and HATH NO COMFORT from what he doth believe; if afterward, through supplies of grace, he hath a mighty prevailing evidence of the things believed, is filled with comfort and assurance; this is not by a faith or grace of another kind than what he had before…” [http://www.reformed.org/books/owen/vol7/spiritual_006.html]

    My response: Owen says that believers can have a faith with “no assurance” (his words) !! The “greatest Puritan” John Owen said believers can have a faith which “doubts all things”!!!

    It makes sense that Owen said that someone can doubt the gospel, and still be saved. After all, Owen said that regeneration was a change in dispositions. So, as long as you have a change in dispositions you’re regenerate. Now, that means that someone can doubt the gospel and still be regenerate!!

    On the other hand, if you teach that regeneration is a change of mind about the gospel, then anyone who doubts the gospel is not regenerate. If they were regenerate, they would have had the change of mind.

    Here are some Scripture that teaches that regeneration is ONLY the Holy Spirit giving someone a change of mind about the gospel.

    “the dead SHALL HEAR THE VOICE of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.” Jn 5:25

    Paul says: “for in Christ Jesus I begot you THROUGH THE GOSPEL” 1 Cor 4:15-17

    “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD of God.” 1 Pet 1:23

     

    Now, there is so much confusion out there about what in means to have Christ “in you”. Most Calvinists seem to think that their “christ” or “holy spirit” witnesses to their spirits APART FROM THE BIBLE. The Puritans thought that God “called” them to the ministry OUTSIDE THE BIBLE. But the Holy Spirit does not utter a single syllable outside the Scriptures.

    In fact, since the Holy Spirit and Christ are 100% God, they are equally present everywhere. This means that when the Bible says Christ “abides” in a believer, it means that the THOUGHTS of a person have become Christ like. It also means that God the Holy Spirit CONVICTS our consciences that the Bible is true.

    The problem with the Pharisees is that did “not have His WORD ABIDING ” in them. Jn 5:38

    For beleivers, is ”THROUGH FAITH Christ may dwell in your hearts” Eph 3:17



    Let’s move onto sanctification. To sanctify means to set apart. Believers are commanded to think thoughts that are true and not false. They are to set apart their mind for the task of deducing more and more truth. Also, they are to physically labor. They are to set apart time and energy for work to support their family and other believers.

    Now, what about love, joy, and peace in believing? Do all believers have these? Yes, these are “the fruits of the Spirit.” But how does the Spirit make a believer joyful? Is it through a warm-fuzzy feeling in their stomach? Is it through speaking nonsense (in “tongues”)?

    No. The only reason a believer loves God is because they intellectually know that he has justified them by Christ’s work. “We love Him because He first loved us.”

    And how do they know Christ died and obeyed the Law for them? By Scripture. So we see that believers deduce their election from the Scripture (the Scripture says that all who believe are elect, I believe, therefore I am elect.) And the moment someone knows they are justified from all things, they will REJOICE.

    Thus, when a believer says “Praise God”, it is solely because that believer knows by the Scripture that all who believe are justified and since they believe, they conclude “I am justified”.

    This means that love, peace and joy do NOT come from prayer, or taking communion. Instead believers pray BECAUSE they know in their minds they are justified. And believers take communion BECAUSE they know Christ their propitiation.

    ALL sanctification occurs BY THE WORD

    “sanctify them BY THE TRUTH”, Jn 17.

    “sanctified, BY FAITH that is toward Me.” Acts 26:18

    “as newborn babes desire the pure soul-nourishing milk [THE BIBLE], that you may GROW BY IT” 1 Pet 2:2

     

    The reason most Calvinists doubt their salvation is because they do not understand the doctrines of regeneration or sanctification. They are looking for mystical ”motions” of their “holy spirit” in themselves. They say that a “mere assent to the gospel” is not saving faith. So they are always wondering if they have saving faith.

    I was talking to a man the other day who said “we cannot describe what saving faith is in words.” This man — as long as he holds this to this damnable heresy — cannot have assurance (knowledge) of salvation.

    Think about it. In order to know we are saved, we need to know that we have the “equally precious faith” of the apostles. Now, if saving faith is “beyond words” that means that the apostles could not have described their faith in the Scripture. And if the faith of the apostles is “beyond words” we can NEVER know whether or not we have the same faith as they did. If saving faith is “beyond words” we cannot even know any other believers. After all, another believer would never be able to describe their belief (if it’s beyond words)!!

    In the Scripture, saving faith is simply believing/assenting to the propositions that

    1) the God-man Jesus Christ lay down His life for the sheep (died according to the Scriptures) and

    2) Christ obeyed the Law and imputes His righteousness to all who believe.

    If that is saving faith, then a believer can NEVER doubt their salvation. They will know BY THE WORD that “the one abiding in the doctrine of Christ HAS THE FATHER AND THE SON” (2 Jn 9) and that “everyone that BELIEVES that Jesus is the Christ is BORN OF GOD.” (1 Jn 5:1)

    Full assurance of salvation is the privilege of every believer.

    Andrew Bain
    Sydney, Australia

  • FAITH IS ASSENT


    man is as passive in believing as he was in receiving his name, or as the eye is in receiving the rays of light that fall upon it from the sun; consequently no man can help believing any testimony when the evidence of its truth arrests his attention.”

    Here are some excellent quotes on saving faith. I don’t think the people who wrote these were regenerate, but God certainly used them like he used Judas and Balaam to get the truth out. Do you  agree with the writing below?


    “A  human faith is a faith that is founded on the testimony of men; and a divine faith is a faith that is founded upon the testimony of God. For instance I believe that Napoleon “Bounaparte is dead.” In this instance my faith is a human faith; a faith founded upon the testimony of men. No man can believe with divine faith that Napoleon is dead, for there is no divine testimony to that effect. Again, I believe “that the dead shall be raised.” My faith in this instance is a divine faith or a faith founded upon divine testimony, viz: “There shall be a resurrection of the just and of the unjust.” I presume no man of sense not even Timothy himself will deny the above.


    No testimony, no faith: for faith is only the belief of testimony, or confidence in testimony as true. To believe without testimony, is just as impossible as to see without light. The measure, quality, and power of faith are always found in the testimony believed.


          Where testimony begins, faith begins; and where testimony ends, faith ends. We believe Moses just as far as Moses speaks or writes: and when Moses has recorded his last fact, or testified his last truth, our faith in Moses terminates. His five books are, therefore, the length and breadth, the height and depth, or in other words, the measure of our faith in Moses. The quality or value of faith is found in the quality or value of the testimony. The certainty of faith is the certainty of testimony. If the testimony be valid and authoritative, our faith is strong and operative. “If,” says John, “we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater,” stronger and more worthy of credit. The value of a bank bill, is the amount of the precious metals which it represents, and the indisputable evidence of its genuineness; so the value of faith is the importance of the facts which the testimony presents, and the assurance afforded that the testimony is true. True, or unfeigned faith, may be contrasted with feigned faith, but true faith is the belief of truth; for he that believes a lie, believes in vain.


          The power of faith is also the power, or moral meaning of the testimony, or of the facts which the testimony represents. If by faith I am transported with joy, or overwhelmed in sorrow, that joy or sorrow is in the facts contained in the testimony, or in the nature and relation of those facts to me. If faith purifies the heart, works by love, and overcomes the world, this power is in the facts believed. If a father has more joy in believing that a lost son has been found, than in believing that a lost sheep has been brought home to his fold, the reason of this greater joy is not in the nature of his faith, but in the nature of the facts believed.


          Here I am led to expatiate on a very popular and pernicious error of modern times. That error is, that the nature, or power and saving efficacy of faith, is not in the truth believed, but in the nature of our faith, or in the manner of believing the truth. Hence all that unmeaning jargon about the nature of faith, and all those disdainful sneers at what is called “historic faith”–as if there could be any faith without history, written or spoken. Who ever believed in Jesus Christ, without hearing the history of him? “How shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?” Faith never can be more than the receiving of testimony as true, or the belief of testimony; and if the testimony be written, it is called history–though it is as much history when flowing from the tongue, as when flowing from the pen.


          Let it be again repeated, and remembered, that there is no other manner of believing a fact, than receiving it as true. If it is not received as true, it is not believed; and when it is believed, it is no more than regarded as true. This being conceded, then it follows that the efficacy of faith is always in the fact believed, or the object received, and not in the nature or manner of believing.








    “Faith was bewildered much by men who meant
      To make it clear, so simple in itself,
      A thought so rudimental and so plain,
      That none by comment could it plainer make.
      All faith was one. In object, not in kind,
      The difference lay. The faith that saved a soul,
      And that which in the common truth believed,
      In essence, were the same. Hear, then, what faith,
      True, Christian faith, which brought salvation, was:                  
      Belief in all that God revealed to men;
      Observe, in all that God revealed to men,
      In all he promised, threatened, commanded, said,
      Without exception, and without a doubt.”

    This holds universally in all the sensitive, intellectual, and moral powers of man. All our pleasures and pains, all our joys and sorrows, are the effects of the objects of sensation, reflection, faith, etc., apprehended or received, and not in the nature of the exercise of any power or capacity with which we are endowed. We shall illustrate and confirm this assertion by an appeal to the experience of all.


     


    “Without faith it is impossible to please Him.” Faith, abstractly considered, is conviction, or credit given to testimony, or, in other words, the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another; for faith and the Bible are to the Christian what a light and a compass are to the mariner. Without the compass and light to see the direction to which the needle points, the mariner can not know how to guide the vessel.


         


    We come to the subject of faith, and the first question that arises is, What is faith? Faith, as described by the apostle, is “the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”


     


    And is there very much difference between faith and belief? We have the words faith and belief in this text used interchangeably, and they mean one and the same thing. We have “He that cometh to God must believe that he is,” and we have in the same text, “Without faith it is impossible to please him.” So, then, we say that faith is the same as belief. Why, of course. The idea of asking for faith to believe! Did you ever hear tell of the like? “Lord, give me faith to believe!” Just as much sense in saying, Lord, help me to walk down to the tabernacle afoot! Faith is belief, belief of testimony. It is that, and belief is faith, or else it would be inconsistent. If faith is greater than belief then people can be saved without belief, for Christ says, “He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.” And then he turns round and says, “Without faith it is impossible to please him.” Paul said when preaching, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.” All the way through the Book of God we find that the words “faith” and “belief” are to be used in the same sense–believing in Christ in the sense of accepting all the conditions of salvation, and trusting in him and his merit for salvation. That’s what we understand by “genuine saving faith.”


     


     The devil has faith, and if man is saved by faith alone, the devil would stand a good chance, would he not? Suppose now some one says, if the devil should happen to be in this congregation, and he should come forward here and I would ask him. the question, “Do you believe with all your heart that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God?” the devil would say, “Yes, I believe it,” and I say to the devil, “Do you believe with all your heart that Christ died to save you?”


          No, he didn’t!” Don’t you see that the devil never can believe that Christ died for him, for he never did; he died for man, God bless you! I have that faith in Christ tonight that He is able to save me, but the devil cannot believe that; he would not accept of the gospel upon the terms of the gospel, because it is for men and women, Adam’s race.


    So far as the feelings are concerned, faith and feeling, I want to say to you tonight that all the good feeling that you have on the great question of religion is the result of what you believe. You may believe a lie and feel good over it, just as well as to believe the truth and feel bad over it. It is the thing we believe that makes us feel good. If I could make you believe that you could be saved without obeying God, would not you feel just as good as a man who believes that he would have to obey God? I want to say to you that feelings are very deceptive sometimes. Poor old Jacob believed with all his heart that Joseph was dead; he believed it, and wept and was sorrowful for years. By and by the news came to him that Joseph was yet alive, and the old gentleman’s faith was changed, and oh, what joy! He had felt bad all these years because he believed a lie all the time. It made him feel bad because he believed a lie. When he received the evidence that his son was alive, didn’t Jacob feel good? He wanted to go and see his boy right away. During the late war I remember how the feelings of certain persons were reversed. In the north west county of the State of Ohio, the news came after a certain battle that a certain man was killed in the battle, and time passed on, and the people finally settled that they should have a funeral service at home; he was a member of the church commonly called the Church of God, and the preacher of that church was called to preach the funeral sermon, and the sermon was like most of those preached during the war, especially for those who were killed on the battle field. All the arrangements were made and the believed widow (I don’t know how else to put it–the women thought she was a widow) and the children thought they were fatherless, and all the friends gathered together for the services, and don’t you think that while the services were going on the man that they were having the funeral for came in! Now how do you think they felt? Would not that change the feelings wonderfully? They felt very bad when the news came that he was dead and that he could not be accounted for, and so settled in the conviction that he was not alive. You know they believed it sufficiently strong to have funeral services, but it proved to be a mistake, and how good they felt when they found out they had believed a lie. Felt bad when they believed one side of the story, felt good when they found out their mistake. So, my friends, a man may believe a lie and feel bad, and may believe the truth and feel glad, or believe a lie and feel glad, believe the truth and feel bad.


          Feeling is the result of what we believe. To illustrate again – In the year ’76 I was conducting a series of meetings in Findlay, Ohio, during the Hayes and Tilden campaign. We were having grand meetings. I was going down the street next day after the election, and a large crowd was gathered around the telegraph office clear out into the middle of the main street, and I heard them hallooing with all their might; and as I came farther down the main street toward the crowd there was a man coming up the middle of the street who had on a white plug hat, and he was hallooing at the top of his voice. He would throw his white plug hat up into the air as high as he could throw it, and when it would come down he would kick it. When I came up to him I saw the tears were rolling down his cheeks, and he was yelling “Hurrah for Hayes! Hurrah for Hayes!” And the Republicans were hallooing for Hayes until they were hoarse, and you know they hallooed for Hayes, and they cried over it, and it made me feel like crying. Just think of the effect it would have on me, as peculiar as I am, to hear them rejoicing. It made me feel good. I had to push through the crowd to keep from hallooing too. I went on into North Findlay, and returned an hour or two after, and when I returned the board was changed, don’t you think! They had received a dispatch that it was a mistake, and that Hayes was not elected, and that Tilden was, and the Republicans’ faces were as long as government mules, and the Democrats were yelling and hallooing with all their might and power. It made me feel like hallooing on that side. So it went. You remember what a time they had in deciding that question in regard to who was President, and you remember the news would make the Republicans feel good when the news came to them that Hayes was elected and they believed it. And it made the Democrats feel good when the news came that Tilden was elected. So one would feel good awhile, and then the other, and they kept feeling good that way for a long time–good, bad, up and down. It reminded me a good deal of some people’s religion, sometimes up and sometimes down; sometimes feeling good, and sometimes their faith fails, and they get to doubting, and they feel bad.


     


    I have had people say to me, “When you were preaching I had such peculiar feelings come over me; I felt the chills running over me; I felt like I ought to act right away; I could hardly wait till you quit preaching, I wanted so to confess my faith in Christ. What made me feel that way? “Because you believed what I preached.” Turn to the tenth chapter of Romans, and you will find: “For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, that the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is to bring Christ down from above.)” Don’t pray for Christ to come down from above to save you. He has come once. He has died upon the cross. He has gone back to heaven, and he is going to stay there until he comes the second time. So we are not to ask Jesus to come down and save us. We have the gospel, the Word of God, that we are to receive in our hearts, believe with our minds, and confess with our mouths.


     


    My name, they say, is “Updike.” I believe it. I don’t say “I’m Updike” because I feel so. You come around and ask me my name, and I say, “My name is Updike.” “How do you know it?” “Oh, I feel like it!” No, that don’t make me Updike because I feel that way. There isn’t any feeling about it. It is a matter of fact that I am. It matters not how much I may dislike the name, or dislike to be what I am. I am, I am, I am! I can’t help it, and it is in accordance with the law. So in regard to this matter of Christianity. 

          You ask me, “Are you a mason?” and you say, “I am.” “Well, how do you know you are a mason?” “I feel like one.” How do I know how any other mason in the world feels! I don’t know whether I am or not, from that? “Are you married?” another asks. “I am.” “How do you know?” “I feel like it.” Feel like you’re married! Talk about such nonsense. A man being a conductor on a railroad because he feels like it! A man being a railroad engineer because he feels like it. There isn’t any profession, there isn’t anything that you can belong to, that you are simply that because you feel like it. A man a school-teacher because he feels like one. “Are you a lawyer? “Yes.” “How do you know you are?” “Oh, well, I feel like it.” It isn’t reasonable.


     


          What is it that is peculiar to Christianity to make it the only thing in all the world that a person would know about simply from his feelings, when the Bible doesn’t say a single word about how a man should feel in order to know he is a child of God? It is as plain as A, B, C. It tells what faith is. It tells us how to act. It tells all about that. It settles the entire question. There can not be any trouble in regard to the joy that comes from faith in God. There is joy in it. That is genuine joy which comes from genuine faith, faith that is built upon the Word of God. That is the only faith that can be genuine; therefore it is important that you and I examine the faith we have. If my faith be wrong, my acts will be wrong, my conscience will be wrong, and I am liable to be lost at last. How is your faith? No wonder that Jesus asks the question, “Will I find faith upon the earth?” Does he say a word about feeling good? No.


     


    My brother, the question comes to-night to every man and woman here, “Have you faith in the Son of the living God?” Do you believe, and believe with all your heart, upon the testimony of the Holy Scripture, that Jesus is the Christ, and the Son of the living God?    We have the “Word of God” as a lamp unto our feet, and a light unto our path.” Do you believe the Word of God? Do you believe it?

    DISCLAIMER:


    As I said earlier, I do NOT think the people who wrote the above were regenerate. However, I do believe they were stating the truth on the matter of faith, in the same way that at times Judas and Balaam spoke truth. Andrew Bain

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