June 12, 2005
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HYPER-CALVINISM?
Scott Whitaker wrote: ===”This site is well-intended, yet filled with many misunderstandings concerning the true nature of salvation. It seems as though many Scriptures have been inadvertantly ignored and misinterpreted. As a result, this site, in the midst of some good points, contains many heretical views. Read my entry entitled, “Hyper-Calvinism” for more information on what hyper-calvinism is and why it’s dangerous.Posted 2/9/2005 at 3:22 AM by skwidaker”===
Hi Scott, we at are not “Calvinists”, let alone “Hyper-Calvinists”. We are just ordinary Christians who believe God’s one and only gospel.
The gospel is God’s promise to save His people based on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ alone. For instance, read 2 Corinthians 5:21. Christ became a curse — He substitued Himself for His people. Also, He actively obeyed the Law of God — He represented His people. The perfect sacrifice was necessary to appease God’s justice. That is, God hates all sin, and all rebellion MUST be punished.
Furthermore, God will not fellowship with anyone less than perfect. After all, how many times did Adam have to sin to be cast out of paradise (fellowship with God)? Thus, God’s people NEED Christ’s righteousness charged to their accounts. They need a perfect righteousness, and this is imputed to them when the Holy Spirit regenerates their heart and immediately converts them to believe this gospel. Indeed, man is TOTALLY PASSIVE throughout his salvation, and God gets ALL the glory as the “Just God and Savior” (Isaiah 45:21).
OK, Scott, THAT is the ONLY Gospel.You and anyone reading this, are commanded to repent and believe this truth, regardless of your absolute inability to do so.
Also, if any Arminians are reading this, you believe that your “jesus” died for those that end up in hell. In fact, you believe that your “christ” on the cross was suffering for those ALREADY in hell, even though he already knew they were damned! That means your “god” was actively punishing his “son” and a person in hell AT THE SAME TIME FOR THE SAME SIN. Please read Proverbs 17:15: He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, even both of them are disgusting to Jehovah.
The Arminian god is “disgusting to Jehovah”. The Arminian god sends some people who are redeemed by Christ’s blood to hell. The Arminian god punishes those that are innocent.
OK, if you are a Calvinist reading this and you agree…yet you still think Arminians are saved, you too, are lost. You cannot discern the true God from idols. You should identify yourself as an apostate by joining the “We Speak Peace To Arminians” BlogRing.
Comments (26)
I believe that it is very possible that you do not understand what Armenians actually believe. Unless we are talking about a different religion, rather then just different spelling. The Arminians that I know believe that in order to be saved you must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and repent. And that if you turn your back on God by continuing to live in an ungodly lifestyle that you will lose your salvation. I am going to find a few definitions of Arminian./Armenian for you and I’ll post them after I find them.
Ok, I just realized after looking over some of the other stuff that you affiliate yourself with that we are speaking about the same belief system we just have different opinions. Have a good day.
It seems you have very strong and unreserved perspectives on Reformed Theology. That’s great, I love your passion.
But the part about Arminians not being saved and the last part about “OK, if you are a Calvinist …yet you still think Arminians are saved, you too, are lost.” Calling such people “apostate”? Hmmm…
I am a passionate contender for Reformed Theology but I know plenty of non-Reformed friends who I know are definitely saved. God elects and saves, just as you so passionately argue, understanding Reformed Theology is not a condition or result of God’s electing salvation.
please make font bigger kthxbye
thanks for the comment on my guestbook, I will check out the site and get back to you when I have time later this week!
In His Name,
AJ
Do I know you?
um… what is this site?? do i know you?? why did you send this to me?? hmm.. just wondering. id really appricate if if you could comment back
you are a hyper calvinist…plain and simple.
you have drawn a circle so small that you yourself have to stand on one foot to be in it.
Paul said to be saved you must “beleive on the Lord Jesus” (Acts 16:31)There is never and indication that ones theology must be correct. Please show me where it says or even implys that ones theolgy must be correct?
I guess that means im unregenorate too huh.
SS
MR bain, mr bain…. again i have to admit that i am unhappy about your last post. was it not you who “hoped” we could continue our conversations via e-mail? and again i must admit that i am having a hard time seeing where i am being unclear in my request that you, from scripture alone, no confession, nothing , spell out to me what the Word of God says a person does to be saved… it seems to me that you have not seriously paid careful atention to what i am asking because all i recieve from you is an explination of the mechanics of salvation, which from your presupositions are the gospel… so i clearly make the request to you once again in hopes that you will encourage me with what the Word says, NOTHING MORE than the word please. and i do ask that you respond with an e-mail….thank you again
Dude, im not even christian, so why do you keep commenting and telling me to join ‘we speak peace to arminians’? Granted, i believe that more than Calvinism. crazy bastard
I have yet to see a definition supported out of multiple pieces of scripture (as scipture should always be compared to scripture) for “speak peace”. Seems you are making up your own definition. I await a reply.
I am very sorry that people feel this way. The way you interpret certain parts of scripture to justify your beliefs baffles me. The Bible should not be read in bits and pieces as you suggest in your lengthy posts. It is meant to be read in it’s entirety. If I was to tell you a story, any story, only citing small pieces and building on those pieces with inference, I could make the story say whatever I wanted. I’m not saying you haven’t read the whole thing, I am saying that you are downplaying the loving nature of God.
hello Andrew, sorry it took me so long to reply. I don’t normally check my guest book. I couldn’t QUITE get where you were coming from, or no, okay, I didn’t understand what you were trying to say. No, okay I have no idea, like I get it, but I dont, but I would like to understand what you are saying, I really would. It was very interesting, and I’m always up for new things. So IM me, leave comments on my site, email me, whatever. This is a very cool site, I have no clue how you found mine, but you are welcome to it
GOD BLESS
i love you all more then you know…
okay i just read what you wrote, and that clears up alot. lol. ordinary christians is good. i seriously thought you were some cult or something, sorry, lol. i totally agree on what you wrote. i hate having to explain my “religion” to other people. because i dont have a religion. i am a non-denominational full gospel believing christian.(i made that up, its the only way i can express my beliefs accurately) i dont like when people say oh your christian? NO not the way you think.
but i must agree, if you want to explain a scripture, make sure you read the surrounding parts so you get the FULL meaning.
also, i wrote a WHOLE thing on being righteous before God. About christians cursing, watching movies they know God wouldnt watch, doing things they know they shouldnt, listening to secular music. i would like to know your thoughts on these topics, especially cursing and secular music and if you would like to know mine, i would gladly share them.
now for people unsaved, i belive you should not use the word perfect. now for christians, its okay, because we understand, but for the unsaved it might come across as we are better then them, they are bad, and that kind of stuff.
but anyways, AWESOME site, madd props to you, cant wait to hear from you, like i said IM me and leave comments, i look foward to it…
God bless
I love you all more then you know
~aurora~
okay one more question, what exactly are you? calvin arminian ? ? ? or just a regular christian? totally confused, would like to find out more . . .
okay, thanks for the comment on my guestbook. that was nice? of you. it was more random than anything. felt like you were trying to save me even though i’m already saved. and i agree with most of those commenting on here that you are a little bit insane. taking bits and pieces of the bible and making them into your own opinion is very wrong. and we as believers should not going around pointing fingers at others and saying that they are condemned to hell. those who are unsaved just don’t respond to that. they just laugh at us. Jesus came and died for us so that we could spread His LOVE and His Words, not His biased opinion.
i can see where you’re trying to come from with all of this, and i do believe that your heart is in the right place, but picking on a certain religion and trying to force others to do the same? in a sense, you are creating your own cult. not in the way that you’re all going to kill one particular group of people like the KKK did, but saying that ‘you embrace them as the weaker brethren’ ??? that goes against God’s teachings of not putting ourselves up higher than others. if you truly believe every Word of the bible, then maybe you should start thinking about LIVING by every word of the bible.
and i know that you are a very smart person, and you could probably counter everything i’ve said. and i don’t want to argue with you. i just want you to see God’s LOVE towards us more clearly. Jesus did die for everyone’s sins, even those that have denied Him. but the fact is He died for EVERYONE and it is our choice whether to believe in Him and accept Him into our lives or not. so if we deny Him, and never repent for our sins, of course we are going to Hell. and we have rejected Jesus’s death on the cross for us.
here’s an example or metaphor i guess you’d say:
a mother makes sack lunches for her 2 children to take to school with them. one, gladly takes the lunch and eats its. the other denies the meal his mother has prepared for them and doesn’t even touch it. the first child, who ate his lunch, gains strength and nourishment from it. the other, doesn’t. the meals were STILL made for both children. just because the second one didn’t accept doesn’t mean she never made the meal to begin with.
it is the same way with Jesus’s death. He died for us, and set out the choice before us: to believe in Him and repent and be saved or not to. whether we take it or not, He still died for us in the first place.
either you believe the Bible, in its ENTIRETY… or not. you can’t be in between and only pick and choose what sounds good to you and what doesn’t. you could be an awesome man of God if you would just let Him mold you.
With Christ’s love,
Rachel
*smile* i have to say otherwise than most people have said on your site. thank you for the comment you left in my guestbook it is so nice an refreshing to be reminded of the true gospel.
tell me people…how is it condeming to hear that the true gospel is Christ’s work alone? isn’t that beautiful? that it is nothing of me that saves me? what hope would i have if i relied on myself?
i do have a question though for you andrew, why are you focusing on armenians? i do believe what you say, no one is our brother/sister in Christ if they are not OF Christ. its not enough to know of Him, or know of His work. but to BELIEVE in His work. that it is in, through, and because of Him alone we are saved. that is not say that we are not to love others, on the contrary…but to say that someone is in the body of Christ without them believing in the true gospel is error.
i’d like to discuss other things as well (i.e. sacraments, baptism etc) if you’re ever up to it. i haven’t read your site yet, but i will when i get a chance. e-mail if you’d like caligirl@ix.netcom.com
God bless you brother.
Wait, isn’t Andrew the LEADER of “WE SPEAK PEACE TO ARMINIANS” ?? I guess that means that he is the Leader of the Apostates.
What were you trying to say when you posted on my guestbook?
i don’t think there’s enough contrast in your blogsite design. Maybe make the font BIGGER?
Andrew,
I appreciate that you took the time to comment on my site. However, I think it would have been a bit more considerate if you hadn’t posted almost three pages worth of material. After reading the comment in my guestbook and looking through the “Outside the Camp” website, I can say that I appreciate your zeal for God. However, I am saddened to see that a lot of what you all are doing does not seem to be rooted in a spirit of love or humility towards others. This is not the attitude that Christ had when dealing with unbelievers and it is not the example he left for us to follow.
I also believe that the attitude you have adopted towards scripture is very dangerous…please consider these things because the Lord is always ready to hear us when we call on him and he wants to use your life for his glory and purpose.
In Christ,
-Tiffany
I don’t think i know you…
what has four legs is green on top and when it falls out of a tree it can kill you…………………………..
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well here’s a hint, it’s not an arminian………
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a pool table
Armenians are those who are from Armenia right.. : )
Okay, I just got back from Europe and finally saw your comment on my guestbook. I understand where you are coming from and I’ve found myself concerned likewise that Arminianism, taken too far, alters the character and efficacy of God in alarming ways. Note, I say “taken too far.” Most Arminians are nobly trying to ensure that God is not held responsible for reprehensible acts of moral evil; they are not hardened heresiarchs trying to bring the church down into dust and rubble.
Andrew, it looks like this is the axe you have chosen to grind so I don’t think commenting is going to get me much of anywhere, but let me remind you that we are instructed by the Word to “speak the truth in love,” and to “judge not, lest we be judged.” I think that Christ or authors under inspiration of the Spirit are the only ones who can pronounce any individual soul “lost” with conclusiveness; it is not for us to judge the hearts of others. Furthermore, the gospel of John states that God “sent His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” The Arminians I know believe in Christ, the Son of God, as the sacrifice made to appease the Father’s justice and pay for our sins, so I cannot in good conscience commit them to reprobation. Remember, doctrinal error does not bring necessary damnation — Paul had to rebuke Peter once over a question of Jewish-Gentile relations, but that error of Peter’s didn’t damn him. Why don’t we focus on making a clear case for the doctrines we believe to be biblically true instead of simply pronouncing anyone who disagrees to be hell-bound?
I’d be happy to hear any comments in response to this. Cheers,
~Robert
my friend you have no idea what an Arminian is. All you have is what ppl have told in the utmost contempt of them. You forget they are Christians.
If you want to know what an Arminian is let them speak for themselves.
http://www.gbgm-umc.org/HolcombUMC/arminian.htm